Scott Greenbaum
Username
Scott Greenbaum
Proposer First Name
Scott
Proposer Email
sgreenbaum@earthlink.net
Proposer Last Name
Greenbaum
Proposer Phone
(781) 405-2780
Proposer Job Title
Principal
Proposed Session Description
Renewable electricity, RNG, and green hydrogen are not an unlimited resource! Capital for decarbonization process is finite! Can 19th century technology meet a 21st century issue and the goal of decarbonization of all thermal energy processes by 2050? Using Whole Systems Thinking I will allow the audience to draw their on conclusion. I will review basic district steam system design and operating parameters to provide a simplified engineering and scientific analysis.
Why is this session important?
ConEd's district steam system has over 1,550 steam customers in Manhattan and 100's of million square feet in its service territory. It is the most expensive way to purchase hot thermal energy for a building available on a cost per delivered therm bases ($3 to $6 per equivalent therm for commodity only). The steam system opened in the 1880's and has distribution piping installed before 1906. Now is the time to consider if the district steam system can de-carbonize in a cost effective sustainable manor before we waste capital on a pipe dream. The current 2021 to 2031 10-year plan does not start to address electrification until the end of this decade in year 2029. The investments are primarily cost of doing businesses usual. These repairs are essentially to keep the system open. We should ask if ConEd's assumptions about carbon capture and sequestration, availability of green hydrogen, and renewable natural gas realistic? Everyone is looking for easy silver bullet instead of doing the hard un-glamorous work of of de-carbonizing building the old fashion NESEA way one sustainable building at a time. Con Edison has not even made any projections of the cost of steam compared to other technologies available in it 10 year plan. The impact of this will impact the affordability of living in Manhattan for low and medium income families, college students, and young professionals.
Diversity and Inclusiveness
It will address equity issue around cost of utilities and affordability of housing.
Learning Objectives
Attendees will be able to discuss knowledgeably the ramifications and risks to using electrified district steam alternative to fossil fuel based fuels or heat pump technology.
They will learn how to determine the boundary of there analysis and how that will effect decision making. i.e. District steam plants talk about efficiency of the stream generating plant but exclude the wasted steam condensate replaced with clean fresh tap water, standby losses of 105 miles of underground pipes, steam leaks, and the thermodynamics of reducing steam to building pressure from high pressure to low pressure.
How to calculate resulting steam prices based on electric commodity prices.
Introduction to Whole Systems Thinking.
Has this session been presented before?
No
Additional Comments
Will be presenting a session "Are District Steam Systems a Decarbonization Strategy?" at AEE - East conference in Boston MA June 7-8.
Target Audiences Level of Expertise
Level 2 - Some prior knowledge helpful.
NYC 2023 Areas of Focus
Recommended Length
60-minute session
Strongest Content Connection - NYC 2023
Comments about your speaker roster
Scott Greenbaum, PE CPHC CEM GBE CBCP
Master Degree in Energy Technologies from NYU. Course work included Carbon Capture and Sequestration (CCS), Renewable Natural Gas (RNG), Green Hydrogen electrolysis production, renewable PV and thermal generation, wind, and conventional fossil fuel electric production. Over 45 years of energy conservation and sustainable development experience in all types of building except single family residential. District energy technical sales manager for Duke Solutions. Part of the development team of 30 MW of landfill RNG electric generation. Have worked in the NYC market for all of my career.
Anything else you'd like to tell us about your session proposal?
2050 is only 27 years away. There is not any time to make course corrections between now and 2050 and reach the emissions free goal. Speculating on unproven theoretical technologies such as SCS and Green Hydrogen will not get us there.
Reviewer 1
Cuadra, Amalia
Proposal #
154
Committee Decision
Rejected